My thoughts about APSense Talents
I think the idea is great, both for people that want to earn from their talents, people that need to outsource tasks and for all APSense members that now can earn money simply by pasting the code for the APSense widget on their site.
However I have some reservations for some of them. In regards of determination of quality of service and payments.
I.e.
The admins of APSense review purchased talents that are rated unsufficient. Since I know most of them pretty wel I know they are all integer persons that will perform this task in a fair way. I would interest me to know what criteria they use to determin if a bad rated talent is legitimate or not. It seems to me there are a lot of talents in a grey area, also because the descriptions are in my opnion often poor or incomplete. I would not like to be in an admins shoes for this particular task.
However many talents are only 5 dollar so it is a small risk to take to purchase one. It is often also a question of trust. The risk will become smaller when the service is online longer and there are more ratings.
However I have some reservations for some of them. In regards of determination of quality of service and payments.
I.e.
- translations: suppose i would purchase a translation from English to Chinese? I would not be able to determin if this translation is correct. LOL it would have to ask Wincer to proof read. Unless the persons that offers is a certified translater. Anyone can make translations with an online translator. I can't see the difference between a translation made by a person or a machine if it is a language i do not know at all. If I would put a bad translation on my site, this would reflect negative on me.
- designwork: when somebody creates a design for somebody else, regardless a banner or a website, the designer puts time and effort in it. But taste is a personal thing. The one who purchased the design can say: I don't like it. Which would not be fair to the designer.
I think therefore in design jobs that are offered, designers must write clearly what information they need from the person that want to purchase this talent like colours, size, theme, text, etcetera. The designer should in my opinion state his/her visions what happens if the purchaser does not like the design.
The admins of APSense review purchased talents that are rated unsufficient. Since I know most of them pretty wel I know they are all integer persons that will perform this task in a fair way. I would interest me to know what criteria they use to determin if a bad rated talent is legitimate or not. It seems to me there are a lot of talents in a grey area, also because the descriptions are in my opnion often poor or incomplete. I would not like to be in an admins shoes for this particular task.
However many talents are only 5 dollar so it is a small risk to take to purchase one. It is often also a question of trust. The risk will become smaller when the service is online longer and there are more ratings.
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Comments (51)
Rieke F.7
Consultant
Referring to automatically translated texts: What I've seen so far until today it's difficult to get the syntax of the different languages. I like to use Google to get some idea of the translation of a single word in a given context - but when I see the construction of the sentence it makes me crying.
Using a software can be very helpful, especially when you translate more or less always in the same field. So you can archive the meaning of special words etc. But it will never substitute the
Paula van Dun16
Retired
I am sure there are good human translators among them too but from many descriptions it is hard to tell.
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
I hadn't thought that some people might offer translation services but use things like software or online services to do the job for them. Thanks for making me aware of that, Paula :)
Paula van Dun16
Retired
Thanks Rieke. I am lucky to have some friends that will proofread for me. For translating a text properly you need to understand the context too what is the reason that translate machines do a lousy job. I think some offer translations made by those machines or software. I would recognize that for English, German and French but not for Turkish
Rieke F.7
Consultant
Hi Paula,
you give some interesting arguments with your article. I am wondering myself, if I would order for example a translation from English to Portuguese when I don't know Portuguese or at least have some knowledge of the language. Therefore to my opinion you will always have a proof of the quality.
Working as a translator off line, I see a much bigger issue than grammar or style: it is the comprehension of the text and using the right terms as different languages have a different kind
Aleksandr Frolov6
webmaster
It is not necessary to force members to immediately sell their talents (and it is!). Let the people think and decide for yourself what services they can propose.Payment for services must be deposited before the end of the job, even if it's only 5 dollarov.The same idea is very good although not entirely new
Bj aka Bill Brown14
Hosting and Backup Service provider
excellent post Paula but you do not go far enough.
Point 1 in reply to Wincer. Sorry but what you are saying is total bull S**T. Honor points here in APSense (or anywhere else for that matter ) are NO guarantee of quality honesty or integrity. We see that every day with morons that have enough Honor points to be at rank 3 and 4 approving photos that should not be approved.
point 2 in general.
Which idiot decided to run the competition for the most talents posted.????
Gopakumar Rajan16
YouTuber from India
Honorable members, It is not compulsory to participate. You can buy or sell talents at your will. If anyone is not interested, please do not participate. Constructive criticism is always welcome. But think in the other persons point of view before criticizing. Paula and Philippe shared some good points; keep it up. After all this is a budding project.
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
I agree 100 % with what you just said, Paula :)
Paula van Dun16
Retired
I think this is a very nice service for cheap services. I would not purchase any more expensive talents through this service unless I know the person very well or had prior good experiences through other channels. I still like the idea of the service and only wanted to point out some points people need to think about before they purchase or offer talents. I agree there are better options to sell services that require special skills and education than apsense talents like the example of detailed
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
Wincer has 43,612 HPs, he could sell a Talent for maximum $2185,60 I guess nobody is close to that many HPs
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
Dave, I said it's just about impossible to sell a Talent at APSense for $1500, based on calculations. Let's see. I got 2964 HPs, the formula is $5 + HP/20 cause I'm a Premium member, so I can sell a Talent for maximum $153.20
writing things like this "seems what andy and i showed you went in one ear and out the other" is a put down, Dave, nothing constructive in such a statement
Dave Gilbert7
Web Entreprenuer
you put yourself down phil with your own ignorance, you stated it was just about impossible to sell a service for $1500 a month yet have you tried you also said no apsense member would buy it anyway if your that clairvoyant why not share next weeks lottery numbers, it's stupid statements such as those that indicate your inexperience and lack of understanding you need to stop seeing such comments as a put down and realize they are constructive criticism and that maybe you can learn something by l
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
couldn't resist putting me down again, Dave, I find it sad :(
Dave Gilbert7
Web Entreprenuer
Phil years ago i tendered for an seo contract at that stage i believed in keeping my prices cheap to help people however i lost the tender even though i was the cheapest because the people offering it did not believe they would get value for such a cheap price then ended up giving the contract to another seo company that had less experience but charged 10 times more than me, when you worked for us we tried to teach you the concept of "you get what you pay for" pay $5 and neither party cares that
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
If you wish to charge a lot of money for your services, there are other sites that will allow you that, Dave
I think the point of the Talents service is to compete with fiverr by offering something better by helping members sell their services for reasonable prices instead of being stuck at $5. Also, it doesn't take years to get many HPs. I admit it's just about impossible to sell a service for $1500, but no APSense member would buy it anyway, in my opinion, with so many people offering the s
Dave Gilbert7
Web Entreprenuer
regardless dictating how much a person can charge for their ability based on a points system will only result in tons of low grade services being offered simply because those who can supply a decent service or talent will refuse to sell that talent way below their normal rate as you know i have nearly 20 years experience as an SEO my monthly fee is normally $1500 per client for such service what would my client list say if they saw me offer the same service here for a lousy $10 because thats all
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
By definition, Dave, most members are here to promote their sites/products/programs by launching campaigns or building relationships.
I don't think anyone wants members to leave APSense, what would be the point ? APSense is an awesome site to make contacts, it doesn't stop after some people joined one's programs
Dave Gilbert7
Web Entreprenuer
Again phil your confusing indicating something honorable with indicating a persons actions just because they make a lot of posts or comments has no bearing on their loyalty or honor it simply means they are actively promoting something even encouraging members to leave this site and use theirs in which case loyalty to apsense doesn't figure in the equation
Philippe Moisan16
Tutorial videos, sci-fi writer
Well, after checking, Honor Points is not just for activity, but also for how many people join your network (group members, downlines, contacts) or how many people vote on your topics
So the name is appropriate