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by Arthur Webster Just plain honesty
Arthur Webster 
Just plain honesty
I have never been one to support the growing hysteria about the beneficial effects of the latest berry to be found in some remote exotic area but I think that the Canadian government is even less convinced than I am of the validity of claims being made.
http://www.stopc51.com takes you to a web site that is trying to encourage Canadians to stop their legal system being encumbered with a law that seems to be by-passing the normal methods of controls and balances.
While I can fully sympathise with the desire of health experts to protect the population against the worst abuses of the new 'health' industry, C-51 takes matters to a frightening degree of oppression.
My experience within clinical trials of hundreds of 'health' products over the past 40 years does lead me to believe that the vast majority are of placebo-type benefit only - some could even be dangerous (one of the biggest companies in the field is currently having to withdraw products that have been found to contain harmful substances) but you cannot legislate against profiteering by the companies and the gulibility of their customers (no matter how desirable it might be to protect the latter) without due legal process.
Many countries are looking at the alternative health industry because of the rapid development of ever more juices and supliments claiming to cure everything from dirty toe nails to cancer. The industry has become embroiled in a fight for customers that has led to some of the most abusive terms and conditions for distributors combined with searches through biological texts to identify berries and fruit that most westerners will never have heard of so that they can be presented as the latest greatest etc. etc. etc.
The industry could well have written and signed its' own death warrant but even I would like to see fair play - not some rabid witch hunt led by college graduate (wooden) stake holders. If the Canadian model is upheld, the alternative health industry, at least as far as supliments and juices goes, will soon be under siege all over the world.
May 2nd 2008 03:58
Just plain honestyI have never been one to support the growing hysteria about the beneficial effects of the latest berry to be found in some remote exotic area but I think that the Canadian government is even less convinced than I am of the validity of claims being made.
http://www.stopc51.com takes you to a web site that is trying to encourage Canadians to stop their legal system being encumbered with a law that seems to be by-passing the normal methods of controls and balances.
While I can fully sympathise with the desire of health experts to protect the population against the worst abuses of the new 'health' industry, C-51 takes matters to a frightening degree of oppression.
My experience within clinical trials of hundreds of 'health' products over the past 40 years does lead me to believe that the vast majority are of placebo-type benefit only - some could even be dangerous (one of the biggest companies in the field is currently having to withdraw products that have been found to contain harmful substances) but you cannot legislate against profiteering by the companies and the gulibility of their customers (no matter how desirable it might be to protect the latter) without due legal process.
Many countries are looking at the alternative health industry because of the rapid development of ever more juices and supliments claiming to cure everything from dirty toe nails to cancer. The industry has become embroiled in a fight for customers that has led to some of the most abusive terms and conditions for distributors combined with searches through biological texts to identify berries and fruit that most westerners will never have heard of so that they can be presented as the latest greatest etc. etc. etc.
The industry could well have written and signed its' own death warrant but even I would like to see fair play - not some rabid witch hunt led by college graduate (wooden) stake holders. If the Canadian model is upheld, the alternative health industry, at least as far as supliments and juices goes, will soon be under siege all over the world.
May 2nd 2008 03:58
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 just want my account deletedCripes! How far into the rabbit hole and sheer BUNCOMBE we could go with this and solve nothing. Governments can't be trusted, period. May 11th 2008 17:43 |
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Arthur Webster
Just plain honestyHi, Garnet, I think a major problem with this legislation is not WHAT IT IS - but what it is the PRECEDENT for. In the YUK, the granny state is much derided but continues to make rules, regulations and laws 'for our own good' - there is not a single facet of leisure that is not controlled in some way by some jobsworth whose only raison d'être is to exercise the powers that his puny, parsimonious brain has been granted by puny and even more parsimonious 'authorities'. Nothing gives a bureaucrat greater pleasure than to curtail the pleasure of others. May 12th 2008 01:01 |
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just want my account deletedHi Arthur, It would seem to follow the path our legislation has been headed down for quite some time already, although after taking the time to review the bill the only thing that seems clear to me is that it is all very unclear. For one i would like to know what effects(if any) this bill has on junk food, 'enery drinks'(or the newest powdered caffeine called BLOW) or booze? As far as health Canada goes, the same health Canada that believes writing warnings of impotentence and breathlessness on cigarette packages is the proper course of action but does nothing to force the tobbaco companies to remove ANY of the harmful toxic chemicials or addictive nicotine ADDED to their product? The same health Canada who believes kidnapping a child who does not wish to undergo chemotheraphy from his supportive family and proceding to force them into imprisionment and treatment is JUST? Good grief! Will someone introduce a damn bill already that will remove these stupid bureaucrats?(honestly, it would sure improve my state of health!) May 15th 2008 23:00 |
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Arthur Webster
Just plain honestyA healthy Garnet, Now there is a fearsome concept! LOL! Tobacco is addictive and kills slowly and painfully - so governments make it available to the population and tax it to get the highest return. Alcohol is addictive and kills slowly and painfully - so governments make it available to the population and tax it to get the highest return. Smog kills slowly and painfully - so governments make it available to the population and tax the preventative measures to get the highest return. Artificial fertiliser can kill slowly and painfully - so governments make it available to the population and tax it to get the highest return. Industrial insecticides can kill slowly and painfully - so governments make them available to the population and tax them to get the highest return. Are we seeing a pattern here? May 16th 2008 04:26 |
It's already under siege in the US. Leading the siege are the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA. Think about that for a minute. It's not just berries and juices under the gun but pretty much any holistic, alternative drug, therapy, treatment, Acupuncture etc.
The FDA have been known to approve these nice little drugs chemically produced by the pharmaceutical industry and then have them pulled with in a year or two for dangerous side effects. You don't even need to take the drugs to know they have dangerous side effects, just listen to the commercials they produce to push these drugs. The list of side effects is ridiculous and unacceptable but it never registers with us, we simply accept the prescription, fill it take the drug experience the side effects and a couple of years our families can hire an ambulance chasing lawyer to file a class action suit on our behalf.
I think the government has no business regulating medicine. The issue of new drugs should be decided by a medical board but....
Since the FDA, and the drug companies are in bed with the insurance companies it will never happen.
May 2nd 2008 08:09