How well do you know God?

One of the things that I despise about many religions is the absolute belief in what the priests promote and the resultant disdain for any other belief system.

In the Christian religions, for example, priests have long blessed troops going to war despite the exhortation by God to turn the other cheek.

Priests have long taken upon themselves the right to judge other people even though God teaches against this and even though they were created equal and in God's own image.

Priests have worked in collusion to ensure that physically aggressive leaders are elected to promote the use of force as a normal, routine and patriotic duty.

The churches break, as a matter of daily routine the commandments which were handed down by God.

There is tremendous cruelty in the world against animals that are raised as food even though the first chapter of Genesis makes it quite clear that God gave mankind the fruits and seeds of the plants and trees that grew in the earth for meat.

The dominion that man was given over the walking, creeping, crawling and flying things upon the face of the Earth has been allowed to degenerate into a wholesale exploitation of these gifts. The needless slaughter of God's creation is enough to damn each one of us.

Although God did not directly preach against wealth (although He did warn of the difficulty a rich man might have in getting into Heaven) it is significant that there is not a single Christian church that does not have an amassed measure of wealth. The major churches are so obscenely wealthy that they are quite capable of ending world famine by the application of some of their liquid assets. At the same time, they seek to amass even more wealth by appealing for donations to feed the poor - donations which go to the church and disappear into the vaults.

How well do you know God?

Do you really believe that the vengeful God of the Old Testament has turned into a toothless tiger that sees nothing but hypocricy and evil among those who claim to be His followers?

Do you really believe that mankind, today, is even worthy of His consideration for immortality? 

The heavens are occupied by countless stars with countless planets and I am sure that on one of those planets is a race that God might want to spend eternity with. I am also sure that the planet is not our Earth.

The evil that is mankind cannot be allowed to continue to exist after the wholesale slaughter that it has committed, after the endemic lies that form the political arena and after the sheep-like following of the general public of the most evil of all men.

We had our chance - and we blew it.

Please discuss.

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Roosevelt Evans III   Your Friend And Business Partner "Do you really believe that the vengeful God of the Old Testament has turned into a toothless tiger that sees nothing but hypocricy and evil among those who claim to be His followers?" Old Coot, my short answer is no. That "Old Testament" God was the invention of the priests to keep the ancient Jews in line. Jesus and the Apostolic writers revelaed the true nature of God, One of Unconditional Love. Nothing can extinguish or resist God's Unconditonal Love, even an old cynic like you, my Friend. LOL! Aug 5th 2011 16:40

Marius Wlassak   Business Media Consultant Completely d'accord with Mr. Evans, we are anyway infinite small particles, maybe the smallest in universe...Who knows :)? Aug 5th 2011 21:17

Manoj Prasad   Professional with a variety of experience I would tend to agree to the priest thing [we have a High Priest in Jesus Christ and do not need any other]. However, I do not find enough confirmation in the Living Word of God [the Bible] - neither through the Holy Spirit. When I read the headline of this article, I felt that it would be good... Mr Roosevelt Evans III is correct, neither is our God old or toothless and neither are His people! Aug 6th 2011 01:40

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Roosevelt - If we are to believe the Bible, the ancient, vengeful God dwelt among His followers and spoke to the chosen among them. He was heard to speak by hundreds at a time, He was seen to create miracles and He even fought alongside His chosen ones to ensure their victories. I am quite sure that Pharoes army was not aware of any indication that the God that was destroying them also loved them. The toothless tiger was created by priests because they wanted a pliant congregation that could be motivated to extreme cruelty by the use of demonisation of enemies. A process which still goes on today. Aug 6th 2011 04:32

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty MWGBC - if we are the smallest particles in the universe, what possible reason could God have for prolonging our existence after our given span is exhausted? Just as we are totally unaware of the dust under our feet, wouldn't God also be unaware of us? Why is it so difficult for people to see that it is quite possible, likely, even, that God should have created millions upon millions of viable civilisations in order to find one that would heed His instructions? Aug 6th 2011 04:36

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Manoj, I did not say that our God was old and toothless, I simply compared the Old Testament God with the New Testament God. The claim that the Bible is the living word of God is one that priests are very fond of making. Man cannot change the word of God and yet the Bible is being changed all the time. New interpretations are being made of "what God meant" and the colloquialisation of translations will, inevitably, alter basic concepts and meanings. The disciples were given the gift of tongues so that they could spread God's word - the churches denied this gift and the christian church made a deliberate decision to promote God in Latin so that their preaching would be beyond the ability of the common man to understand or question by studying the source documents. The Bible was composed to create a wealthy and independent priesthood. It has been very successful. The Bible represents the very first MLM programme which is why priests come in so many flavours! Aug 6th 2011 04:48

Gerry Copenhaver    There is no difference between the Old Testament God and the New Testament God. But there is a difference of some kind. What is that difference? Simple, Jesus Christ came to earth and fulfilled his purpose here. He gave people an opportunity to come from under the Law. Is there a difference? Absolutely there is. It isn't about what priests, preachers, deacons, elders, pastors, bishops, etc... says, it's about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Do religious leaders get it wrong? Yep, every single day. Many interject their own agendas into the Word of God and distort it, but there will come a day of reckoning for them, far and away worse that for the rest of us. Seeking truth isn't about looking at what man has to say about it, it's about studying the word, prayerfully and asking for wisdom from God to understand. Aug 7th 2011 11:46

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Hi, Gerry, so which word do we study? Since the only word we have is that of men, twisted to the advantage of men and manipulated to serve men, where do we find God's truth if not within ourselves? Why should we only try to have a relationship with Jesus Christ, one third of our God? There is a huge difference between the God of the Old Testament and the New. The Old God required sacrifices and burnt offerings as proof of devotion. He was quite ready to smite, hip and thigh, those who threatened His chosen ones and He could be totally without mercy. Not all Pharoe's troops were evil - but He killed them all. Aug 7th 2011 16:31

Gerry Copenhaver    There is absolutely NO difference between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament. It was the situation that changed, not God. Old Testament times were under the law, New Testament times are not. It's ALL about Jesus. All the events and prophecies of the Old Testament, in one way or another, led up to Jesus. Some was good, some bad, some Godly, some evil some absolutely horrendous, but that was all under the law. Jesus came to release us from bondage to the law. You can choose to accept that or you can reject it, the choice is yours and yours alone. If you want to learn about it, I would be happy to help Aug 7th 2011 17:40

Manoj Prasad   Professional with a variety of experience The Word we study and believe is the Word of God given by the Holy Spirit by whom we are Baptised if we believe truly in His Salvation. It is because of so many translations that we can't really use any one of them as THE word. But, God, in control all the time, took care of this - ' .. I will write my word on their hearts ... ' Aug 8th 2011 00:51

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Hi, Gerry, which law expired at the time the New Testament was being composed by the priests and scribes of the post Jesus years? Jesus made a specific point of stating that He would not interfere with the laws of man. "Render unto Caeser that which is Caeser's". Reading the Old Testament, you will see that the history is based very much on God's law enforced by God. The reason Jesus came to earth is by no means clear. Did He really come to forgive our sins or did He come because the human race had reached the stage that God required and to sort out those worthy followers from the sinful and unrepentent AT THAT TIME? Nowhere does Jesus say that he will forgive sins NOT YET COMMITTED and yet that is the basis of most christian teaching. Aug 8th 2011 03:01

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Hi, Manoj. Is it your contention that the words written in my heart and which have been thoroughly examined over a lifetime of seeking the truth are not valid? Do you believe that to question YOUR particular belief mode is some form of blasphemy? The belief in God is not easy to maintain unless you allow yourself to be seduced by the thoughts and teachings of priests and false prophets. God does not demand that we believe in Him - he only maintains a vague promise that those who die while in His favour will spend eternity singing His praises - according to the man-made bible, anyway. The priests would have us think that belief in God is enough - whether we understand why we believe or can justify it. Therein is the lie. Aug 8th 2011 03:09

Roosevelt Evans III   Your Friend And Business Partner "I See You", Arthur. You are an Agnostic, one who believes in an impossible-to-know God, therefore you reject any idea of "knowing God" in any sense. Aug 8th 2011 05:41

Manoj Prasad   Professional with a variety of experience Hi, The Old Coot [I do feel embarrassed using such words as your name - feels like I am insulting you, but well, that is how I was brought up]. No, it is definitely not my contention in any way about the truth being in anybody's heart being true/false nor that any questions raised about my beliefs are blasphemy [ouch, why would I want to have such a feeling - that's arrogant - I do not know everything about everything] My belief is (a) both the Testaments are True, (b) we do have a High Priest in Jesus to intercede on our behalf to Father God, the Creator (c) we do not need man-priests to intercede on our behalf to intercede with Jesus so that He may intercede on our behalf as requested by the priest who acts as the go-between. (d) our relationship, and hence our requests/demands/praises are directed one-to-one with God Himself All attempts by man to (re)define His Word are futile and unholy, I believe. Hence my words about Word being in our hearts given by God! Aug 8th 2011 05:45

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Ouch! Manoj - if both of the testaments are true, which do you believe? The very first chapter of the book of Genesis contradicts itself and, from there, things get worse! Think carefully about the intercession you say is necessary between Jesus and God. Jesus is one third of God, the Father is one third and the Holy Spirit is one third. They say that a sign of madness is talking to yourself - if Jesus talks to the Father, is He not talking to Himself and showing signs of madness? The word of God is all around us. He teaches by example and by demonstration - neither of which modern man seems capable of understanding. God has given me the burden of an enquiring mind and I glory in it. I question most things and use the answers to try to understand what is in front of me. "Old Coot" is not an insult, it is a name that indicates to others the nature of my venerable personality. Aug 8th 2011 07:25

Manoj Prasad   Professional with a variety of experience Both of course - one showing His Power and the other His Love! And, being of inquisitive mind, I also used to be extremely analytical. However, certain things refused to fall in place by any logic [just as you have raised a point about talking to oneself]. But now I find that faith really does not reside in logic, else how would God's Glory be displayed? If God were so easily defined, would not we be making God in our image? Words are used by man throughout the Bible to attempt translating His Words or to describe events, but they always fall short, don't they? I love my dog and I love my son ... is it the same love? We see His Works and fail to explain them, so how can we explain God or His entity away in our words? Aug 8th 2011 08:46

Roosevelt Evans III   Your Friend And Business Partner If I may interject here, Arthur and Manoj, both of you know and appreciate the Bible, the difference being Arthur (Old Coot) looks at the Bibel as the "starting point" in understanding God whereas you Manoj, look at the Bible as the "end point" in understanding God, thus neither of you can ever totally agree on the subject of "knowing" God. I simplify my understanding of God by this one verse in the Bible, "God is Love", Jesus being the highest human expression of God (Love). Aug 8th 2011 10:37

Gerry Copenhaver    You did not read all of it, which is sad. Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. The reason Jesus came to earth is abundantly clear. Jesus never has, and never will be, one third of God. Explaining this concept has been tried over and over again and it comes down to the fact that you either accept it, or you do not. As I mentioned before, the choice is entirely yours. As a Christian, my responsibility isn't to argue semantics or theology, however interesting that might be. Instead it is to represent Jesus Christ. That is the purpose of my life and even when I fail in that purpose, that's when He lifts me up to keep going. Old Coot, it's not a matter of what you believe, it's who you believe in. Aug 8th 2011 10:42

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Roosevelt, I look at the bible as a collection of fairy stories - something like the lies and misstatements that abound in modern day marketing - that has been passed on as inspired writings recording the words of God. I do not see why Manoj and I cannot agree that we both know God. Each of us has a different relationship with God. Some of us believe that He has little direct interest in us as individuals but a great concern about the way we develop as a group. One verse in a man-made abomination created to ensure the totalitarian rule of priests and their agrandisement in the eyes of their followers is of no value whatsoever. God may be love but, by definition he is all else that exists in the world, either physically or metaphorically. When Jesus said that Peter would be the rock on which His church was built, I am sure that He did not intend a Vatican City nor expensive edifices to the glory of man. Did Jesus tell his disciples to go forth and get filthy rich? I don't think so Aug 8th 2011 13:28

Arthur Webster   Just plain honesty Gerry, I sometimes argue semantics but not where religion is concerned. Anybody who needs to quote the lies promulgated by a greedy and corrupt priesthood is in difficulty straight away since there are so many escape clauses. I do not believe anybody has the "responsibility" to represent Jesus Christ. We have an option to live the life that we believe He intended for us or to call into question the lies and embroidery that have been created and accepted by a population that has been indoctrinated to believe the priests because of the use of Latin in their church services. The statements attributed to Jesus are many and, as we know, aprocryphal. There are no contemporary records of the words of Jesus and hundreds of years passed before written records were created. The writings that went into the bible were selected because they said what the priests wanted them to say. Priests and truth are very strange bed-fellows. Priests and convenience are husband and wife. Aug 8th 2011 13:43

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