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Think Your Email's Getting Delivered?Posted Date: 2007-06-11 23:11, Pageview: 1468 |
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| I run email out of my own server – this just means I get to look in on the deliver and what really comes and goes. Yahoo does not deliver. It is a big problem and only getting bigger.
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| In two years, I have not experienced it. I've never had a spam complaint against me. Maybe its the LOA. In fact, I'm sure of it.
My auto reply does more than "reverse" market. It lets people emailing me know that I received their email... since ISPs are so choosey about what gets through. ~ Karen ~
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| As mentioned in another group, what about in the case where you have responded to SPAM, therefore accepting the email only to have the recipient of YOUR "reverse" email accuse you of SPAM ? |
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| If they weren't coming, I wouldn't reverse market them! LOL... My preference would be that spam doesn't exist, but it does, and as long as email exists, it always will.
I can stop blatent spam from getting into my inbox (and I do) but blocking them. Problem solved. The only intent of this article was to get word out that email is not being delivered, ISPs claims to be out to stop spam are BS at worst, ineffective at best, and that the ONLY solution is to let individuals decide what is and isn't spam. I mean maybe there is someone who likes those viagra ads in their inbox... who are we to judge? ~ Karen ~
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| Hey Karen,
...when i changed the mail servers from mail.myISP.com to mail.mydomain.com i started getting twice as much mail as i was getting... Yeah, they keep coming until they start to drip... My personal preference is to do something towards stopping them... Your preference seems to be to reverse market to them.... That doesn't make either of us right or wrong... just different in our approaches... |
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| Can you explain how you know your email from your own domain is being delivered EVERY time? Or that you are receiving what is being sent EVERY time?
Sure, you can report the obvious spam, but every notice they keep coming anyway? That's cuz they paid to get whitelisted. Your reports may cause some delay, but they will get delivered. ~ Karen ~
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| I think when you get 10 emails in the same day from someone trying to flog Viagra, most people would be confident knowing they knew what they were sending. And if they don't then someone should tell them.
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| I would NEVER report spam because I know that a high percentage of the people doing it, don't know they are.
But no, it isn't a question of yes I want it or no I don't want it. It is a matter of let me decide what is and isn't spam. If I opt in to receive your newsletter, by gosh I want to receive it! Do you want your postal service to start making these decisions for you as well? To save money? So if you receive mail from someone who sends alot of mail... oh let's say Sears... the postmaster can say... "I don't think Eric really ordered this new suit, so I'm going to turf it, save the post office a few bucks" I have a hard time understanding why this is ok with people. Under any circumstances. ~ Karen ~
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| For sure, i'm not denying that ISP's could handle things better.
In many cases they will block emails to save them money. But, to a degree, ISP's can justify this by the cost of handleing Millions of SPAM emails each day, whether they were sent to the addresse or not. And fair enough - They could give people the option. Yes I want SPAM. No I do not want SPAM. But logically, in the whole sceam of things who does want it - except of course for the occasional reverse marketer ;o) When i was on Dial-Up I (voluntarily) paid an extra $2.50 per month for SPAM protection. But when i went onto Broadband it was built in. But i don't use my ISP email. I have several domains and use my own addresses. "This" email doesn't get blocked, I just make sure i only subscribe to duble opt in lists. In the event SPAM does get through i report it to SpamCop.net and other services (including the ISP if i find it). |
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| But Eric, what about providers accepting payment to whitelist a bulk server? And just for the sake of argument, let's assume that you are right. Do you need your ISP to make this determination FOR you? Or would you prefer that they go ahead and sort your mail - put what their robots have determined to be spam in your spam folder, and let YOU decide? That's what G-mail does. Works like a charm.
It's an ineffective method, and more than that, it is not at all the intent. Call it a Conspiracy Theory if you like, but when a spammer can pay to get his spam delivered, but you and I have trouble getting an email with a word in it determined by Spam Assassin to be "spammy" through, there is something more sinister going on. Bottom line, regardless of what you believe, is we should have an option. It is sad when a legitimate business person can't do business effectively with his ISP email account. In your original post on this thread you said that "spam itself is not the problem, its the backend problems tht exist BECAUSE of Spam" - did you ask your ISP to "protect" you from spam? I didn't. And even if these participating ISPs were legitimately trying to protect us, it isn't working... time to find another strategy. Seems most of the spam I get now is for viagra and penis enlargement patches... obvious spam from the content, but its getting through... JMHO ~ Karen ~
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I think SPAM is the largest reason Emails are blocked by ISP's. Its getting harder and harder for ISP's to determine what is or isn't spam so legitimate emails are being blocked or flagged as potential spam even though they are legitimate or "opt-in" emails. Spammers are now using images to hide their text and using subject lines that look like legitimate emails. ISP's are now catching on to this and will often block emails with images an attachments or emails that simply "look" dodgy. So there is a connection between SPAM & ISP's Hi Candice, I use SEO techniques, Link exchanges, Social Networking, Targeted Lead Capture Pages (www.milifestyle.net as an example), Forums, Google adwords, Traffic Exchanges, I buy ad space on targeted websites with high PR, offline promotion in Niche magazines and papers, local delivery of brochures, etc... Hope that helps. |
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| Hi Karen,
what I understand about your post is not about spam marketing per say, but about what the isp's are doing with peoples emails, for their own agenda. I am a network marketer on a very large, but tightly knit team. Our team leaders send out emails to everyone keeping them updated on events and schedules. I know for a fact that many don't get their updates. We have all our new members get gmail accounts when they join now because they don't block like others do. Lifestyle Home Service, I do have one question for you, how do you get traffic to your lead capture pages and does it work? or two....... |
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| I don't condone or support spam either! LOL
But I do understand that I'm not going to stop it, so I deal with it in a constructive way, but that has NOTHING to do with email not being delivered. We are talking two different things here. Email being blocked by ISPs has nothing to do with spam, and in fact real spammers can get their mail through, while you may not. I use many methods to market - email is only one, and reverse marketing is not what I call one of my "marketing strategies". Most of my business and traffic comes from the search engines. The point to this article had nothing to do with spam - it is about ISPs blocking email. Because of this issue, using email to communicate with your subscribers is increasingly difficult and ineffective. You may not be aware of it but much of the email you send to your opt in subscribers, is not getting to them. That is the point to the article. ~ Karen ~
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| I guess we have different opinions on how and what to market. But thats a good thing. If everyone used the same marketing methods we would be overlaping everything onto everyone. That logically wouldn't work.
Personally i don't condone or reverse market to spam. I don't own, market or recommend FFA pages or any form of bulk submission. My thoughts are that supporting these industries only increases the problem. I build my own lists using lead capture pages (like apsense A.B.C). I also develp lead capture pages targeted to my industry and have information requests daily. But as i said... To each his (or her) own... Best of luck with your marketing efforts. |
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| Well, no replying to what we perceive to be unsolicited email does not perpetuate the problem. The problem is not really spam at all. It is the service providers blocking. The assumption (wrong I should point out), is that your ISP is protecting you from spam when they block larger servers from mailing.
Some, however, will accept payment from the larger server to get the mail through. You see, your ISP really doesn't care about spam. Under those rules, true spammers can pay to get their spam through. Nobody is ever going to eliminate spam. Not anymore than you can really stop people from calling you on the phone. Sure you can get on the do not call list, but it doesn't prevent your number from being dialed. Some email systems do have spam protection that makes the sender verify they are a real person. All fine for person to person email, but not good for business. The other thing often overlooked by those who think the spam is the real issue is that some of the spam you get isn't. If you are posting ads on FFA pages, and using safelists or using ad blasters, you are agreeing to receive offers. Those are INTENDED for reverse marketing, but most people don't understand that. ~ Karen ~
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| Hi Karen,
Yes, Spam ruins a lot of things for a lot of people and businesses. The spam itself is not the problem, its the backend problems that exist BECAUSE of Spam, like not getting emails sent or received. If SPAM didn't exist, mail would be delivered as normal. In one of your Blogs you mentioned you love spam because you "reverse market" to them. I guess this reverse marketing could be as detrimental to mail programs banning certain IP's as the original SPAM itself since the mail program will read the emails origins in its headers etc..., who knows! |
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